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#1 Novaliis


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Posted 21 septembar 2010 - 21:45

Ovde mozemo diskutovati o raznim neobicnim pojavama sirom sveta, od kojih su neke manje a neke vise poznate i koje se granice sa znanjima danasnje nauke. Jeti, Bigfut, cudne i retke zivotinje, Kriptozologija, duhovi... Neki od ovih slucajeva su puka fantazija i ocigledne lazi, drugi su daleko ozbiljniji i traze objasnjenje zvanicne nauke.

Evo krenucu sa pricom o Zani, tajenstvenom stvorenju, tkz. divljoj zeni. Dosta je tekstova na internetu o ovom dogadjaju koji se dogodio 1850. godine.

She was given the name Zana by Russian researchers after she was captured naked and living in the wilderness by hunters in the Ochamchir region of Georgia in the year 1850. From all accounts, she was the closest thing to a live, captured version of a Bigfoot creature on record. Some thought she might have been a throwback to the Neanderthal.

Zana was described as something between a human and an ape. She showed some degree of intelligence after some time in captivity, although she never developed the ability to speak or adopt social skills. Some said she was capable of doing hard labor such as grinding grain and farm work, but little more.

Even though she lived at a time when cameras were around, we could find no surviving photographs of either Zana, or any of the four children she reportedly bore following her capture. The children were sired by various unidentified males, and were said to have been relatively normal humans even though they all possessed some of the physical characteristics of their mother.

Her general description was that she was a large hairy humanoid with thick arms, legs and fingers, a “massive bosom” and large hips. Her skin was black or a dark gray in color, and the hair on her body was a reddish-black. She could splay the toes on her feet. Her face was broad, with high cheekbones, a flat broad nose with turned-out nostrils, a muzzle-like jaw, wide mouth and large teeth. She had a low forehead and her eyes were a reddish tinge.

It was said that at the time of her capture, Zana was a wild creature. After being brought into captivity, she had to be kept caged for the first few years until her behavior became mellowed and she could be taught to perform domestic tasks and behave herself to some degree while in society. Among her biggest problems, however, was an unwillingness to wear clothing. Zana lived as a nude and hairy beast in the wild, and throughout her life in human society, they said she resisted having to be dressed.

That Zana existed appears to be well established. She was not a native myth. Her two sons and two daughters, and their offspring, many of whom still live in Russia, attest to this. The problem for historians and anthropologists has been just what was she, and from where did she spring?

That she could have human children after copulating with humans proved that she was not an animal. Some suggested that she may have been a genetic throwback to the Neanderthal, a humanoid that some believe cross bred with the homo sapiens, which was the reason they went extinct.

Another theory was that Zana was a deformed baby who was left in the wilderness by her mother and somehow survived to be a feral creature at the time of her capture.

Russian zoologist Alexander Mashkovtsev suggested that Zana was a relict hominoid called Abnauayu, a legendary “Wildman of the forest” said to live in certain areas of the Caucasus Mountains. These creatures have reportedly been observed, and even captured more than once. A Russian doctor, V. S. Karapetian, reportedly examined a Abnauayu in 1941 which was described as a hairy human like creature that was incapable of speech and harbored lice. Are they proof of the mythological “Bigfoot” monster?

If Mashkovtsev is correct, Zana thus became the most known Abnauayu to have ever been captured and brought into human captivity.

Detaljnije ovde: http://www.bigfooten...ticles/zana.htm

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Posted 23 septembar 2010 - 22:55

kul tema.
cudno kako nije ostalo nista dokumentovano na slikama ako je vec bila okruzena kamerama  :cool:

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Posted 23 septembar 2010 - 23:21

U to vreme nije bilo tako jeftino napraviti sliku. Ali definitivno je to stvorenje postojalo, barem se meni tako cini, posebno ako se procita ceo tekst sa onog linka.
Evo i slike lobanje njenog sina:


Prava je misterija sta je zapravo ona bila, odakle dolazi, gde su bili njeni roditelji i da li ima jos pripadnika njene vrste? Mozda svi ti mitovi o Bigfutu i slicnim stvorenjima sirom sveta imaju nekakve veze sa Zanom? Mozda su svi oni pripadnici neke nama do sada nepoznate vrste? Mislim da se o ovome nije detaljnije diskutovalo u javnosti, jer nauka nema blage veze kako da objasni ovaj slucaj. Zana definitivno nije bila covek ali nije ni jedna nama poznata zivotinja. :)

Setimo se da su nekada i gorile smatrane mitskim bicima, bile obavijene plastom misterije, pridavane su im natprirodne moci i sl. sve dok nisu otkrivene u 19. veku (planinske gorile otkrivene oktobra 1902. godine) i kada se saznalo da su to obicne, i veoma stvarne, zivotinje a ne monstrumi kako su pricala plemena.

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Posted 23 septembar 2010 - 23:37

Po nekim foto-robotima, ovako je izgledala:

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A ovo je njen sin:

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Posted 23 septembar 2010 - 23:58

Zanimljivo bi bilo cuti misljenja ljudi o ovome.

A zelim da postujem sada jedan tekst, izvinjavam se sto je na engleskom i sto je malo opsirniji, mislim da je takodje zanimljiv za ovu temu. Nemam obicaj da radim copy/paste, znam da to moze ubiti diskusiju ali mozda ce jos nekome biti interesantno, pa se bude diskutovalo i o ovoj temi. Postovacu u nekoliko delova, da ne bude previse odjednom. :)

The following is   an  intriguing  article  entitled  "Archeological
  Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress  in  the above NEXUS magazine.
  Following that is  a  newspaper  article  from  a   1909   newspaper
  indicating a bizarre suppressed find in the Grand Canyon area.

  It indicates either  a  hoax  published  at  the  time  OR  that the
  Smithsonian and/or the government  is  covering  up  details of past
  archeological discoveries that  would rock current understanding  of
  the past.

  Despite KeelyNet being primarily a science based board, this article
  intrigues us because of the similarity in information suppression to
  "protect the people"....this  would  appear  to be the reason WHY we
  don't have working free energy and  anti-grav  devices  as  well  as
  absolute cures for most terminal diseases.

  If, after reading the article and the attached newspaper  file,  you
  decide to investigate  the matter further, we here at KeelyNet would
  appreciate you sharing your findings with either/or Mr. Childress at
  the World Explorers Club or us here at KeelyNet.  Thanks...>>> Jerry
                         Archeological Coverups?
                       by David Hatcher Childress

                          World Explorers Club
                             403 Kemp Street
                    Kempton, Illinois 60946-0074 USA
                          Tel : (815) 253-6390
                          FAX : (815) 253-6300

  Most of us are familiar with the last  scene  in the popular Indiana
  Jones archeological adventure film RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in which
  an important historical  artefact,  the Ark of the Covenant from the
  Temple in Jerusalem, is locked  in  a  crate  and  put  in  a  giant
  warehouse, never to  be seen again, thus ensuring  that  no  history
  books will have  to  be rewritten and no history professor will have
  to revise the lecture that he has  been  giving  for  the last forty

  While the film was fiction, the scene in which an important  ancient
  relic is buried in a warehouse is uncomfortably close to reality for
  many researchers.  To   those   who   investigate   allegations   of
  archaeological cover-ups, there are  disturbing indications that the
  most important archaeological  institute in the United  States,  the
  Smithsonian Institute, an   independent  federal  agency,  has  been
  actively suppressing some  of the  most  interesting  and  important
  archaeological discoveries made in the Americas.

  The Vatican has been long accused of keeping artefacts  and  ancient
  books in their  vast  cellars,  without  allowing  the outside world
  access to them.  These secret treasures,  often  of  a controversial
  historical or religious  nature,  are  allegedly suppressed  by  the
  Catholic Church because  they might damage the church's credibility,
  or perhaps cast their official texts  in  doubt.   Sadly,  there  is
  overwhelming evidence that something very similar is  happening with
  the Smithsonian Institution.

  The cover-up and  alleged  suppression  of  archaeological  evidence
  began in late 1881 when John Wesley Powell, the geologist famous for
  exploring the Grand Canyon, appointed  Cyrus  Thomas as the director
  of the Eastern  Mound  Division  of  the  Smithsonian  Institution's
  Bureau of Ethnology.

  When Thomas came to the Bureau of Ethnology he was a

   "pronounced believer  in the existence of a race of Mound Builders,
                  distinct from the American Indians."

  However, John Wesley  Powell,  the   director   of   the  Bureau  of
  Ethnology, a very sympathetic man toward the American  Indians,  had
  lived with the  peaceful  Winnebago  Indians  of  Wisconsin for many
  years as a  youth  and  felt that  American  Indians  were  unfairly
  thought of as primitive and savage.

  The Smithsonian began to promote the idea that Native  Americans, at
  that time being exterminated in the Indian Wars, were descended from
  advanced civilisations and were worthy of respect and protection.

  They also began a program of suppressing any archaeological evidence
  that lent credence to the school of thought known as Diffusionism, a
  school which believes   that   throughout  history  there  has  been
  widespread dispersion of culture  and  civilisation  via  contact by
  ship and major trade routes.

  The Smithsonian opted   for   the   opposite   school,    known   as
  Isolationism.  Isolationism holds   that   most   civilisations  are
  isolated from each other and that there has been very little contact
  between them, especially  those that  are  separated  by  bodies  of
  water.  In this intellectual war that started in the  1880s,  it was
  held that even  contact  between  the  civilisations of the Ohio and
  Mississippi Valleys were rare, and certainly these civilisations did
  not have any  contact  with  such  advanced  cultures  as the Mayas,
  Toltecs, or Aztecs in Mexico and  Central  America.   By  Old  World
  standards this is an extreme, and even ridiculous idea,  considering
  that the river  system  reached  to  the  Gulf  of  Mexico and these
  civilisations were as close as the  opposite  shore of the gulf.  It
  was like saying that cultures in the Black Sea area  could  not have
  had contact with the Mediterranean.

  When the contents of many ancient mounds and pyramids of the Midwest
  were examined, it  was  shown  that  the  history of the Mississippi
  River Valleys was that of an ancient  and sophisticated culture that
  had been in contact with Europe and other areas.  Not only that, the
  contents of many  mounds  revealed  burials of huge  men,  sometimes
  seven or eight  feet  tall, in full armour with swords and sometimes
  huge treasures.

  (Vangard note..>Eastern Indian texts  say that at one time men lived
  thousands of years and grew very tall in direct proportion  to their
  age, as does  the  Bible  with the comment "and there were GIANTS in
  the earth in those days...")

  For instance, when Spiro Mound in  Oklahoma  was  excavated  in  the
  1930's, a tall man in full armour was discovered along with a pot of
  thousands of pearls and other artefacts, the largest  such  treasure
  so far documented.   The whereabouts of the man in armour is unknown
  and it is  quite  likely  that  it   eventually  was  taken  to  the
  Smithsonian Institution.

  In a private  conversation  with a well-known historical  researcher
  (who shall remain  nameless),  I  was told that a former employee of
  the Smithsonian, who  was  dismissed   for  defending  the  view  of
  diffusionism in the  Americas  (i.e. the heresy that  other  ancient
  civilisations may have visited the shores of North and South America
  during the many   millenia   before   Columbus),  alleged  that  the
  Smithsonian at one time had actually  taken  a barge full of unusual
  artefacts out into the Atlantic and dumped them in the ocean.

  Though the idea  of  the  Smithsonian'  covering   up   a   valuable
  archaeological find is  difficult  to  accept  for  some,  there is,
  sadly, a great deal of evidence  to  suggest  that  the  Smithsonian
  Institution has knowingly   covered   up   and   'lost'    important
  archaeological relics.  The  STONEWATCH  NEWSLETTER of the Gungywamp
  Society in Connecticut, which researches  megalithic  sites  in  New
  England, had a curious story in their Winter 1992 issue  about stone
  coffins discovered in  1892  in  Alabama  which  were  sent  to  the
  Smithsonian Institution and   then   'lost'.    According   to   the
  newsletter, researcher Frederick J. Pohl wrote an intriguing  letter
  in 1950 to the late Dr. T.C. Lethbridge, a British archaeologist.

  The letter from  Pohl  stated,  "A  professor  of  geology sent me a
  reprint (of the) Smithsonian Institution,  THE  CRUMF BURIAL CAVE by
  Frank Burns, US  Geological  Survey,  from  the  report  of  the  US
  National Museum for  1892,  pp  451-454,  1984.   In the Crumf Cave,
  southern branch of the Warrior River,  in  Murphy's  Valley,  Blount
  County, Alabama, accessible from Mobile Bay by river,  were  coffins
  of wood hollowed  out  by  fire,  aided  by stone or copper chisels.

  Either of these coffins were taken  to  the  Smithsonian.  They were
  about 7.5 feet long, 14" to 18" wide, 6" to 7" deep.  Lids open.
  "I wrote recently  to  the  Smithsonian,  and received a reply March
  11th from F.M. Setzler, Head Curator  of  Department of Anthropology
  (He said) 'We  have  not  been  able  to find the specimens  in  our
  collections, though records show that they were received."

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 03:15

David Barron, President of the Gungywamp Society was eventually told
  by the Smithsonian  in  1992  that  the coffins were actually wooden
  troughs and that they could not be  viewed  anyway because they were
  housed in an asbestos-contaminated warehouse.  This warehouse was to
  be closed for  the next ten years and no one was allowed  in  except
  the Smithsonian personnel!

  Ivan T. Sanderson,  a  well-known  zoologist  and  frequent guest on
  Johnny Carson's TONIGHT SHOW in the  1960s  (usually  with an exotic
  animal with a  pangolin or a lemur), once related  a  curious  story
  about a letter  he  received regarding an engineer who was stationed
  on the Aleutian  island  of  Shemya  during  World  War  II.   While
  building an airstrip,  his  crew  bulldozed  a group  of  hills  and
  discovered under several  sedimentary  layers  what  appeared  to be
  human remains.  The  Alaskan  mound  was  in  fact  a  graveyard  of
  gigantic human remains, consisting of crania and long leg bones.

  The crania measured from 22 to 24 inches from base  to crown.  Since
  an adult skull  normally  measures  about  eight inches from back to
  front, such a  large  crania would  imply  an  immense  size  for  a
  normally proportioned human.  Furthermore, every skull  was  said to
  have been neatly trepanned (a process of cutting a hole in the upper
  portion of the skull).

  In fact, the  habit of flattening the skull of an infant and forcing
  it to grow in an elongated shape  was  a  practice  used  by ancient
  Peruvians, the Mayas, and the Flathead Indians of Montana. Sanderson
  tried to gather further proof, eventually receiving  a  letter  from
  another member of  the  unit  who confirmed the report.  The letters
  both indicated that the Smithsonian  Institution  had  collected the
  remains, yet nothing  else  was  heard.  Sanderson seemed  convinced
  that the Smithsonian  Institution  had  received the bizarre relics,
  but wondered why they would not release  the  data.  He asks, "...is
  it that these people cannot face rewriting all the textbooks?"

  In 1944 an accidental discovery of an even more controversial nature
  was made by Waldemar Julsrud at Acambaro, Mexico.   Acambaro  is  in
  the state of  Guanajuato,  175  miles northwest of Mexico City.  The
  strange archaeological site there  yielded  over  33,500  objects of
  ceramic;stone, including jade; and knives of obsidian  (sharper than
  steel and still  used today in heart surgery).  Jalsrud, a prominent
  local German merchant, also found  statues ranging from less than an
  inch to six feet in length depicting great reptiles, some of them in
  ACTIVE ASSOCIATION with humans - generally eating them,  but in some
  bizarre statuettes an   erotic   association   was   indicated.   To
  observers many of these creatures resembled dinosaurs.

  Jalsrud crammed this collection into  twelve  rooms  of his expanded
  house.  There startling representations of Negroes,  Orientals,  and
  bearded Caucasians were   included  as  were  motifs  of  Egyptians,
  Sumerian and other ancient non-hemispheric civilisations, as well as
  portrayals of Bigfoot  and  aquatic   monsterlike  creatures,  weird
  human-animal mixtures, and  a host of other inexplicable  creations.
  Teeth from an extinct Ice Age horse, the skeleton of a mammoth, and
  a number of  human skulls were found at the same site as the ceramic

  Radio-carbon dating in  the  laboratories   of   the  University  of
  Pennsylvania and   additional  tests  using  the  thermoluminescence
  method of dating  pottery were performed to determine the age of the
  objects.  Results indicated the objects  were made about 6,500 years
  ago, around 4,500  BC.   A  team  of experts at another  university,
  shown Jalrud's half-dozen samples but unaware of their origin, ruled
  out the possibility  that they could have been modern reproductions.
  However, they fell silent when told of their controversial source.

  In 1952, in an effort to debunk  this  weird  collection  which  was
  gaining a certain amount of fame, American archaeologist  Charles C.
  DiPeso claimed to  have  minutely  examined  the  then 32,000 pieces
  within not more than four hours spent  at the home of Julsrud.  In a
  forthcoming book, long  delayed  by continuing developments  in  his
  investigation, archaeological investigator  John H. Tierney, who has
  lectured on the case for decades,  points out that to have done that
  DiPeso would have  had  to  have  inspected  133 pieces  per  minute
  steadily for four   hours,  whereas  in  actuality,  it  would  have
  required weeks merely  to  have  separated  the  massive  jumble  of
  exhibits and arranged them properly for a valid evaluation.

  Tierney, who collaborated with the later Professor Hapgood, the late
  William N. Russell,  and others in the investigation,  charges  that
  the Smithsonian Institution  and  other  archaeological  authorities
  conducted a campaign of disinformation against the discoveries.  The
  Smithsonian had, early  in  the controversy,  dismissed  the  entire
  Acambaro collection as  an  elaborate  hoax.   Also,  utilising  the
  Freedom of Information  Act, Tierney discovered that practically the
  entirety of the Smithsonian's Julsrud case files are missing.

  After two expeditions  to  the site  in  1955  and  1968,  Professor
  Charles Hapgood, a  professor  of  history and anthropology  at  the
  University of New  Hampshire,  recorded  the  results of his 18-year
  investigation of Acambaro  in  a  privately  printed  book  entitled
  MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO.   Hapgood was initially an open-minded  skeptic
  concerning the collection  but  became  a  believer  after his first
  visit in 1955, at which time he witnessed  some of the figures being
  excavated and even dictated to the diggers where he  wanted  them to

  Adding to the  mind-boggling aspects of this controversy is the fact
  that the Instituto Nacional de Antropologia  e Historia, through the
  late Director of PreHispanic Monuments, Dr. Eduardo  Noguera,  (who,
  as head of  an  official  investigating  team  at the site, issued a
  report which Tierney  will be publishing),  admitted  "the  apparent
  scientific legality with  which these objects wer  found."   Despite
  evidence of their own eyes, however, officials declared that because
  of the objects  'fantastic'  nature,  they  had  to have been a hoax
  played on Julsrud!

  A disappointed but ever-hopeful Julsrud  died.   His  house was sold
  and the collection put in storage.  The collection  is not currently
  open to the public.

  Perhaps the most  amazing suppression of all is the excavation of an
  Egyptian tomb by the Smithsonian itself in Arizona.  A lengthy front
  page story of  the  PHOENIX  GAZETTE  on  5 April 1909 (follows this
  article), gave a  highly  detailed   report  of  the  discovery  and
  excavation of a rock-cut vault by an expedition led  by  a Professor
  S.A. Jordan of the Smithsonian.  The Smithsonian, however, claims to
  have absolutely no knowledge of the discovery or its discoverers.

  The World Explorers  Club  decided to check on this story by calling
  the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C., though we felt there was little
  chance of getting any real information.   After  speaking briefly to
  an operator, we   were   transferred   to   a   Smithsonian    staff
  archaeologist, and a  woman's voice came on the phone and identified

  I told her that I was investigating  a  story  from  a  1909 Phoenix
  newspaper article about   the   Smithsonian   Institution's   having
  excavated rock-cut vaults   in   the  Grand  Canyon  where  Egyptian
  artefacts had been   discovered,   and   whether   the   Smithsonian
  Institution could give me any more information on the subject.

  "Well, the first thing I can tell you, before we  go  any  further,"
  she said, "is  that no Egyptian artefacts of any kind have ever been
  found in North or South America.  Therefore, I can tell you that the
  Smithsonian Institute has  never   been   involved   in   any   such
  excavations."  She was  quite helpful and polite but,  in  the  end,
  knew nothing.  Neither  she  nor anyone else with whom I spoke could
  find any record  of  the  discovery   or  either  G.E.  Kinkaid  and
  Professor S.A. Jordan.

  While it cannot be discounted that the entire story  is an elaborate
  newspaper hoax, the  fact  that  it was on the front page, named the
  prestigious Smithsonian Institution,  and  gave  a  highly  detailed
  story that went  on  for several pages, lends a great  deal  to  its
  credibility.  It is hard to believe such a story could have come out
  of thin air.

  Is the Smithsonian   Institution   covering   up  an  archaeological
  discovery of immense importance?   If  this  story  is true it would
  radically change the  current  view that there was  no  transoceanic
  contact in pre-Columbian  times,  and  that all American Indians, on
  both continents, are  descended from  Ice  Age  explorers  who  came
  across the Bering  Strait.   (Any  information on G.E.  Kinkaid  and
  Professor S.A. Jordan,  or  their  alleged discoveries, that readers
  may have would be greatly appreciated.....write  to Childress at the
  World Explorers Club at the above address.)

  Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona  area  in the
  ancient past so  objectionable  and  preposterous  that  it  must be
  covered up?  Perhaps the Smithsonian  Institution is more interested
  in maintaining the status quo than rocking the boat with astonishing
  new discoveries that    overturn   previously   accepted    academic

  Historian and linguist  Carl  Hart,  editor  of WORLD EXPLORER, then
  obtained a hiker's  map of the Grand  Canyon  from  a  bookstore  in
  Chicago.  Poring over the map, we were amazed to  see  that  much of
  the area on  the  north  side of the canyon has Egyptian names.  The
  area around Ninety-four Mile Creek and Trinity Creek had areas (rock
  formations, apparently) with names  like  Tower of Set, Tower of Ra,
  Horus Temple, Osiris Temple, and Isis Temple.  In the Haunted Canyon
  area were such  names  as  the  Cheops Pyramid, the Buddha Cloister,
  Buddha Temple, Manu  Temple  and   Shiva   Temple.   Was  there  any
  relationship between these   places   and   the   alleged   Egyptian
  discoveries in the Grand Canyon?

  We called a  state  archaeologist at the Grand Canyon, and were told
  that the early explorers had just  liked  Egyptian  and Hindu names,
  but that it  was  true that this area was off limits  to  hikers  or
  other visitors, "because of dangerous caves."

  Indeed, this entire  area with the Egyptian and Hindu place names in
  the Grand Canyon is a forbidden zone  -  no one is allowed into this
  large area.

  We could only conclude that this was the area where  the vaults were
  located.  Yet today, this area is curiously off-limits to all hikers
  and even, in large part, park personnel.

  I believe that  the  discerning reader will see that if only a small
  part of the  "Smithsoniangate"  evidence  is  true,  then  our  most
  hallowed archaeological institution  has been actively  involved  in
  suppressing evidence for  advanced  American  cultures, evidence for
  ancient voyages of various cultures  to  North America, evidence for
  anomalistic giants and  other oddball artefacts, and  evidence  that
  tends to disprove  the  official  dogma  that  is now the history of
  North America.

  The Smithsonian's Board  of  Regents   still  refuses  to  open  its
  meetings to the  news media or the public.  If Americans  were  ever
  allowed inside the  'nation's  attic',  as  the Smithsonian has been
  called, what skeletons might they find?

   from the front page of THE PHOENIX GAZETTE of April 5th, 1909

                      EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON
        Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern being brought to light
                           Jordan is enthused
      Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient

  The latest news of the progress of  the  explorations of what is now
  regarded by scientists   as   not  only  the  oldest   archeological
  discovery in the  United States, but one of the most valuable in the
  world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought
  to the city yesterday by G.E. Kinkaid,  the  explorer  who found the
  great underground citadel  of the Grand Canyon during  a  trip  from
  Green River, Wyoming,  down the Colorado, in a wooden boat, to Yuma,
  several months ago.

  According to the story related to  the  Gazette  by Mr. Kinkaid, the
  archaelogists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is  financing  the
  expeditions, have made  discoveries  which almost conclusively prove
  that the race which inhabited this  mysterious cavern, hewn in solid
  rock by human  hands, was of oriental origin, possibly  from  Egypt,
  tracing back to  Ramses.   If  their  theories  are borne out by the
  translation of the tablets engraved  with heiroglyphics, the mystery
  of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who
  they were and whence they came, will be solved.  Egypt and the Nile,
  and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain
  running back to  ages  which  staggers  the  wildest  fancy  of  the

                        A Thorough Examination

  Under the direction of Prof. S. A. Jordan, the Smithsonian Institute
  is now prosecuting the most thorough  explorations,  which  will  be
  continued until the last link in the chain is forged.  Nearly a mile
  underground, about 1480  feet  below  the  surface,  the  long  main
  passage has been  delved  into, to find another mammoth chamber from
  which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel.

  Several hundred rooms have been discovered,  reached  by passageways
  running from the main passage, one of them having been  explored for
  854 feet and  another  634  feet.  The recent finds include articles
  which have never been known as native to this country, and doubtless
  they had their  origin  in  the   orient.    War   weapons,   copper
  instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate  the high state
  of civilization reached by these strange people.  So interested have
  the scientists become  that preparations are being made to equip the
  camp for extensive studies, and  the  force  will  be  increased  to
  thirty or forty persons.

                         Mr. Kinkaid's Report

  Mr. Kinkaid was the first white child born in Idaho  and has been an
  explorer and hunter  all  his  life, thirty years having been in the
  service of the Smithsonian Institute.   Even  briefly recounted, his
  history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque.

  "First, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible.  The
  entrance is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall.  It is located on
  government land and no visitor will be allowed there  under  penalty
  of trespass.  The  scientists  wish to work unmolested, without fear
  of archeological discoveries  being  disturbed  by  curio  or  relic

  A trip there would be fruitless, and the visitor  would  be  sent on
  his way.  The  story of how I found the cavern has been related, but
  in a paragraph: I was journeying down  the Colorado river in a boat,
  alone, looking for mineral.  Some forty-two miles up  the river from
  the El Tovar  Crystal  canyon, I saw on the east wall, stains in the
  sedimentary formation about 2,000  feet  above the river bed.  There
  was no trail  to  this point, but I finally reached  it  with  great

  Above a shelf  which  hid it from view from the river, was the mouth
  of the cave.  There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty
  yards to what was, at the time the  cavern  was inhabited, the level
  of the river.  When I saw the chisel marks on the  wall  inside  the
  entrance, I became  interested, securing my gun and went in.  During
  that trip I went back several hundred  feet  along  the main passage
  till I came to the crypt in which I discovered the  mummies.  One of
  these I stood  up  and  photographed  by  flashlight.   I gathered a
  number of relics, which I carried  down  the  Colorado to Yuma, from
  whence I shipped them to Washington with details of  the  discovery.
  Following this, the explorations were undertaken.

                             The Passages

  "The main passageway  is  about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet
  toward the farther end.  About 57  feet from the entrance, the first
  side-passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both
  sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms
  of today, though some are 30 by 40 feet square.  These  are  entered
  by oval-shaped doors  and are ventilated by round air spaces through
  the walls into the passages.  The  walls  are  about  three feet six
  inches in thickness.

  The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could  be  laid out
  by an engineer.   The  ceilings  of  many of the rooms converge to a
  center.  The side-passages near the  entrance  run  at a sharp angle
  from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right
  angle in direction.

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 08:41

Kilometarski tekstovi , i to na engleskom .....

Meni je najveca misterija ovo : zašto je skoro svaka snežna pahuljica različita i zašto , tj kako dobija takve veličanstvene oblike ? Explain that ! :)

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I brought them wisdom from above: Worship, and Liberty, and Love.
They slew me for I did disparage Therefore Religion, Law, and Marriage.
So be my grave without a name That earth may swallow up my shame!

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 11:05

Cudo prirode. :)

Na formiranje i izgled snezne pahuljice uticu brojni elementi, od temperature do broja molekula vode. A neverovatan izgled nastaje zbog toga sto sama pahuljica poprima oblik unutrasnnje strukture molekula vode. Ti molekuli u cvrstom stanju stvaraju veze izmedju sebe koje su najcesce simetricnog, heksagonalnog oblika, bas kao i pahuljice. Druga prica je zbog cega je sneg bele boje, ako je voda bezbojna.  :haha:

I evo samo da zavrsim zapocet tekst. Poslednji treci deo i od mene nema vise copy/paste postova. :)

The Shrine

  "Over a hundred  feet  from the entrance is the cross-hall,  several
  hundred feet long,  in  which  are  found the idol, or image, of the
  people's god, sitting cross-legged,  with  a lotus flower or lily in
  each hand.  The cast of the face is oriental, and the  carving  this
  cavern.  The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are
  not certain as to what religious worship it represents.  Taking into
  consideration everything found  thus  far,  it is possible that this
  worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.

  Surrounding this idol are smaller  images,  some  very  beautiful in
  form; others crooked-necked   and   distorted  shapes,   symbolical,
  probably, of good  and  evil.   There  are  two  large  cactus  with
  protruding arms, one on each side  of  the  dais  on  which  the god
  squats.  All this is carved out of hard rock resembling  marble.  In
  the opposite corner  of  this  cross-hall  were  found  tools of all
  descriptions, made of copper.  These  people  undoubtedly  knew  the
  lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals
  for centureis without  result.   On  a  bench  running   around  the
  workroom was some  charcoal  and other material probably used in the
  process.  There is also slag and  stuff  similar  to  matte, showing
  that these ancients smelted ores, but so far no trace  of  where  or
  how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.

  "Among the other  finds  are  vases  or  urns and cups of copper and
  gold, made very  artistic  in design.   The  pottery  work  includes
  enameled ware and  glazed  vessels.   Another  passageway  leads  to
  granaries such as  are  found in the oriental temples.  They contain
  seeds of varous kinds.  One very large  storehouse  has not yet been
  entered, as it  is  twelve  feet high and can be reached  only  from
  above.  Two copper  hooks  extend  on the edge, which indicates that
  some sort of ladder was attached.   These  granaries are rounded, as
  the materials of which they are constructed, I think,  is a ver hard
  cement.  A gray  metal  is  also found in this cavern, which puzzles
  the scientists, for  its identity  has  not  been  established.   It
  resembles platinum.  Strewn promiscuously over the  floor everywhere
  are what people  call "cats eyse', a yellow stone of no great value.
  Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type.

                           The Hieroglyphics

  "On all the  urns,  or  walls  over  doorways , and tablets of stone
  which were found by the image are  the mysterious hieroglyphics, the
  key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to  discover.   The
  engraving on the  tables  probably  has  something  to  do  with the
  religion of the people.  Similar  hieroglyphics  have  been found in
  southern Arizona.  Among the pictorial writings,  only  two  animals
  are found.  One is of prehistoric type.

                               The Crypt

  "The tomb or  crypt  in  which  the mummies were found is one of the
  largest of the chambers, the walls  slanting  back  at  an  angle of
  about 35 degrees.  On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying
  a separate hewn  shelf.  At the head of each is a  small  bench,  on
  which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords.  Some of the
  mummies are covered with clay, and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.

  The urns or  cups  on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher
  shelves are reached, the urns are  finer  in design, showing a later
  stage of civilization.  It is worthy of note that  all  the  mummies
  examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being
  buried here.  This  leads  to  the belief that this exterior section
  was the warriors' barracks.

  "Among the discoveries no bones  of  animals  have  been  found,  no
  skins, no clothing, no bedding.  Many of the rooms  are bare but for
  water vessels.  One  room,  about  40  by 700 feet, was probably the
  main dining hall, for cooking utensils  are  found here.  What these
  people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed  that  they came
  south in the  winter  and farmed in the valleys, going back north in
  the summer.

  Upwards of 50,000  people  could   have   lived   in   the   caverns
  comfortably.  One theory is that the present Indian  tribes found in
  Arizona are descendants  of  the serfs or slaves of the people which
  inhabited the cave.  Undoubtedly  a  good  many  thousands  of years
  before the Christian era, a people lived here which  reached  a high
  stage of civilization.   The  chronology of human history is full of
  gaps.  Professor Jordan is much enthused  over  the  discoveries and
  believes that the   find  will  prove  of  incalculable   value   in
  archeological work.

  "One thing I  have  not spoken of, may be of interest.  There is one
  chamber of the passageway to which  is  not  ventilated, and when we
  approached it a deadly, snaky smell struck us.  Our  light would not
  penetrate the gloom,  and  until stronger ones are available we will
  not know what the chamber contains.   Some  say  snakes,  but  other
  boo-hoo this idea and think it may contain a deadly gas or chemicals
  used by the ancients.  No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky just
  the same.  The  whole underground installation gives  one  of  shaky
  nerves the creeps.   The  gloom is like a weight on one's shoulders,
  and our flashlights and candles  only  make  the  darkness  blacker.
  Imagination can revel  in  conjectures  and ungodly  daydreams  back
  through the ages  that  have  elapsed till the mind reels dizzily in

                            An Indian Legend

  In connection with  this  story,  it  is notable that among the Hopi
  Indians the tradition is told that  their ancestors once lived in an
  underworld in the  Grand  Canyon till dissension arose  between  the
  good and the  bad,  the  people  of  one heart and the people of two
  hearts.  Machetto, who was their chief,  counseled them to leave the
  underworld, but there was no way out.  The chief then  caused a tree
  to grow up  and  pierce  the  roof  of  the underworld, and then the
  people of one heart climbed out.   They  tarried  by  Paisisvai (Red
  River), which is the Colorado, and grew grain and corn.

  They sent out  a  message  to  the  Temple  of the Sun,  asking  the
  blessing of peace, good will and rain for people of one heart.  That
  messenger never returned,  but today at the Hopi villages at sundown
  can be seen the old men of the tribe  out  on  the  housetops gazing
  toward the sun, looking for the messenger.  When he  returns,  their
  lands and ancient  dwelling place will be restored to them.  That is
  the tradition.

  Among the engravings of animals in  the  cave is seen the image of a
  heart over the spot where it is located.  The legend  was learned by
  W.E. Rollins, the artist, during a year spent with the Hopi Indians.

  There are two  theories of the origin of the Egyptians.  One is that
  they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper
  Nile region.  Heeren, an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin
  of the Egyptians.  The discoveries  in  the  Grand  Canyon may throw
  further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.

Edited by Novaliis, 24 septembar 2010 - 11:08.

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 11:19

Evo neki primeri :

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Bury me in an nameless grave! I came from god the world to save.
I brought them wisdom from above: Worship, and Liberty, and Love.
They slew me for I did disparage Therefore Religion, Law, and Marriage.
So be my grave without a name That earth may swallow up my shame!

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 12:09

Priroda stvara najlepse oblike, moze se otvoriti posebna tema o geometriji u prirodi. :) Mene posebno fasciniraju spiralni oblici...ima ih svuda.

Iako sam mislio da na ovoj temi postujem samo o misterijama na nasoj planeti, evo necega iz svemira :)

Sta mislite o belim rupama koje bi trebalo da predstavljaju suprotnost crnim rupama? Ajnstajn je, kazu a ja ne znam sigurno jer nisam dovoljno pametan, matematicki dokazao postojanje ovih rupa u svemiru. Bele rupe bi, po tome, trebalo da izbacuju ogromne kolicine materije iz nicega, sto bi ako je istina, objasnilo mnogo toga povodom porekla materije. Mislim da nije otkrivena jos nijedna bela rupa i da one postoje samo u teoriji, ali ako postoje crne (a vecina veruje, pa i moderna nauka) onda je logicno da spotoje i bele. Pitanje je, jesu li to kapije ka drugim dimenzijama? Ka nekim svetovima koje mi ne mozemo da percipiramo u obicnom ljudskom obliku?  :haha:

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 12:48


Zvuk ultra niske frekvencije koji su naucnici uhvatili 1997. godine u okeanu i koji je nepoznatog porekla. Jedino sto se zna jeste da je bioloskog porekla, tj. neko zivo bice ga je proizvelo ali ne zna se koje. Misterija je u tome sto, prema karakteristici zvuka, ovo bice mora da bude mnogo vece od bilo koje najvece zivotinje nama poznate. :)

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 12:57

Pa dno okeana je istrazeno samo 5 % , ko zna sta i ko sve zivi dole

Bury me in an nameless grave! I came from god the world to save.
I brought them wisdom from above: Worship, and Liberty, and Love.
They slew me for I did disparage Therefore Religion, Law, and Marriage.
So be my grave without a name That earth may swallow up my shame!

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Posted 24 septembar 2010 - 13:24

View PostTalvi, on 23 septembar 2010 - 23:37, said:

A ovo je njen sin:

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Malo lici na Ljubisu Samardzica...

Da se nadovezem na prvi post sa teme i pridodam jos par misterija:

Kratak tekst o Dropa-plemenu sa Tibeta, objavljen u Nexus-u.

I jedan tekst sa Wikipedije o Homo floresiensis-u (poznatijem kao Hobit) ciji su ostaci pronadjeni na Indonezanskom ostrvu pre 7 godina:

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Posted 25 septembar 2010 - 03:15

Bile su neke emisije o rasi Hobita na tv-u. Veoma zanimljivo, mislim da niko ne bi verovao u tako nesto da nema tako cvrstih dokaza. Cak su i neki naucnici bezuspesno pokusali da opovrgnu njihovo postojanje. Nasa planeta je bila, i danas jos uvek jeste, nastanjena takvim fantasticnim bicima da nam nisu potrebne nikakve knjige o fantaziji i sl. Sve imamo ovde, u nasoj realnosti. Mnogo toga jos imamo da istrazimo..
Cuo sam i za taj narod sa Tibeta, ali nisam siguran koliko tu ima istine? Izgledaju stvarno kao vanzemaljci..

Da li ste culi za Argentavis-a? Najveca ptica letelica ikada, velicine manjeg aviona. Stvorenje izgleda kao da je izaslo iz nekog filma o Sindbadu.  :haha:  Samo guglajte naziv i videcete.

Potom, Basilosaurus. Nekada se mislilo da je to bilo dzinovsko reptiloidno morsko cudoviste, pa od toga potice takav naziv (-saurus). Njegova glava je imala reptiloidni oblik a fosilni ostaci ovih stovrenja su ranije bili popularni za pravljenje namestaja u juznoj Americi (zbog velicine).

Chalicothere. Pogledajte samo kako je izgledalo to stvorenje.  :haha:  Prava epska fantastika.

Lista moze ici u nedogled.


Moram jos da dodam i drevnu morsku skorpiju koja je bila duga oko 3 metra. http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Eurypterid

Megalania - dzinovski guster dug do 7 metara

Pliosaur - morski reptil dug do 15 metara

Edited by Novaliis, 25 septembar 2010 - 03:31.

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Posted 25 septembar 2010 - 04:11

zashto pishesh o jbnim misterijama sveta u jbnih 4 ujutru? xD
pravopis je deo svecke zavere

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Posted 25 septembar 2010 - 04:17

Znao sam da ce neko pitati.  :haha:
Ne mogu da spavam, to je jedini razlog. :) I onda surfujem netom u potrazi za zanimljivostima i postujem nesto od toga ovde.  :haha:

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Posted 25 septembar 2010 - 13:31

View PostNovaliis, on 25 septembar 2010 - 03:15, said:

Da li ste culi za Argentavis-a? Najveca ptica letelica ikada, velicine manjeg aviona. Stvorenje izgleda kao da je izaslo iz nekog filma o Sindbadu.  :haha:  Samo guglajte naziv i videcete.

prva asocijacija: :haha:

Sto se tice Dropa plemena, najzastupljenija teorija je da su njihovi preci neki izumrli oblik primata, u tu kategoriju se najcesce svrstava i indonezanski hobit. Druga teorija je da su oni potomci vanzemaljaca koji su se srusili na Tibet i opisali taj dogadjaj na kamenim diskovima... da ne gnjavim sa tim, sve je objasnjeno na ovom linku: (dropa stones)
Medjutim, ni jedna ni druga teorija za sada ne mogu da se opovrgnu ili dokazu, s obzirom da se ostaci dropa nalaze u posedu kineske vlade a oni ne zele da saradjuju sa ostatkom sveta... u svakom slucaju, i ako bi se prilikom analize urvrdilo da im im se DNK razlikuje od ljudskog, opet ne bi dokazivalo nekakvo vanzemaljsko poreklo, jer bi podejednako dokazivalo ovu prvobitnu, malo vise skepticnu teoriju da su potomci nekih jos neotkrivenih primata. Mada i jedna i druga teorija zvuce kao naucna fantastika... :haha:


Lista moze ici u nedogled.

Edited by LokateLi, 25 septembar 2010 - 13:33.

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Posted 25 septembar 2010 - 19:51


#19 Avalok


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Posted 26 septembar 2010 - 02:14


Ova zivotinjica meni izgleda skroz nerealno.

Edited by Avalok, 26 septembar 2010 - 02:17.

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Posted 26 septembar 2010 - 02:49

View PostTalvi, on 25 septembar 2010 - 19:51, said:

Sjajna lista.

Meni je ova zivotinja totalno kul i steta sto je izumrla. :) Oooogroman jelen...

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