Valtiel Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Nightwish - Tarja's Message To The Fans And Media 25.10.2005 Nightwish's ex-singer Tarja Turunen has posted following message in her homesite: Since last Sunday morning, I have been asked to express my position by magazines, newspapers, radio and TV stations, fan clubs and fans from Finland and from all over the world. So many in total that it is physically impossible for me to find the time to reply to them all individually. Hence I decided to put down a couple of words in this text to let my fans, family and friends and the public know how I feel after the recent events. This is a moment of grief and pain and I find it very hard to speak. At the moment I am in Argentina. I hope you can understand that after this shocking life change comparable to a divorce, I didn’t want to stay alone at home in Finland. My husband had booked his tickets to Argentina many months ago and I decided to travel with him at the last minute. But the fact that I am in Argentina and the long distance should of course not be an excuse not to comment on the situation. Last Friday 21st of October was a day the whole band had been waiting for a long time. Practice started early in the morning. I was very sick and nervous because of the fact that I was not even able to sing during the rehearsals. Also nervous because the concert programme was going to be longer than usual for a Nightwish concert. Furthermore we were going to have a special guest to perform with us, more wardrobe changes for myself than usual and for the first time big screens and bigger production on stage. Not to forget that the concert was going to be recorded and filmed. The five of us had finally made it to play Hartwall Arena. Even though every one of us knew in advance that the concert was sold out, finally on stage, we saw that screaming, applauding and standing people took every seat. The feeling was unbelievable. I will never forget how amazing it was to experience the Finnish audience’s gorgeous reception. When the concert was over, I cried of happiness on stage. Happy tears because I was able to do my best as always even though I was sick. Happy tears because our long tour got the greatest possible ending and happy tears because of the best recognition an artist can get: applause and smiling faces. At that moment I didn’t know that I was going to cry again soon. After the concert, the guys of the band invited me backstage to join them and asked me to hug altogether. This felt strange as it was the same kind of hug we traditionally came together for before every concert. That tradition remained between us, even though the tension and increasing pressure already existed since a long period of time. The immediate feeling in me was to thank them, which I did loudly but without any reply. After this, they gave me a letter and asked me to read it the following day. The same letter that is now public. I read it and was shocked. I didn’t know what to say and still at the moment that I am writing these lines, I don’t. I sense great anger in that letter and I continue to have very confused feelings about it, but I don’t want to reply to this anger with an even greater anger. Private matters should never be taken to the public. I know this moment we are going through is very sad for everybody, including the guys. While there would have been so many different possibilities and ways to express what they wanted to tell me with the letter, I remain unable to understand the way they chose to handle this. I am sorry that the guys got me so wrong. I don’t recognize myself at all from the way they described me. They mentioned mean things about me, but the fact that they involved Marcelo, my husband, crossed the line. He is the man I love, my friend and has been my biggest support over the last years. We have been band mates for 9 years, experienced good times and not so good ones. I thought I knew them, but I was wrong. Still everything that has happened is not enough to make them evil in my eyes. Now comes a time to calm down and reflect upon all of this. I need to put my feelings together again and I promise to come back to public soon. I will announce a press conference where I will be talking about my future plans. This doesn’t mean that you should expect this conference to be an instrument to attack anybody. It won’t. The wonderful music we created together won’t be touched by recent events. Thanks a lot to all the people who are supporting me during these sad times. My family, friends, colleagues, and the great number of fans. I love you and I really feel I have not failed you. Tarja source: www.tarjaturunen.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcoman Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Shvatam da si svestan da je to nemoguce, ma koja crna Tuomasova (ili cija je vec) muzika, ne postoji ni namanja moguca sansa za fuziju bilo kakve vrste Nightwish /znak za nezamislivo razlicito/ od Anneke gnusno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwing Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 nesto kratko to pismo Tarje Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatyannahhh Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 mene taaaako mrzi to da citam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruz Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Ma nema shta ni da se prochita.My husband ovo,my husband ono.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinSlayer Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Tarja nek radja decu, krpi gatje i charape i kuva ruchak, a neka mlada neudata nek peva, i gotova stvar .... sve je to priroda uredila kako treba Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen_Mab Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) evo,videla sam[i procitala TARJINE ODGOVORE na 'ono' pismo.....] hajde sad malo i 2. strnu da saslusamo,bas 'ono' pismo.... Dear Tarja, It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go. Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band. We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion. To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”. I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing. You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist. We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough. You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either. The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small. In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine. We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans. Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore. Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status. It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows. This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of! We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself. This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking. All the best for your life and career, Tuomas Emppu Jukka Marco Ps. This is an open letter for everybody. [skinuto sa nightwish.com] Edited October 26, 2005 by Queen_Mab Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
[4] Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 vi ste retardirani pastujete iste stvari po 5 puta ja mislim da bi bio red da vidimo sad shta je tarja odgovorila na ovo tako zelim da vidim to bar josh jednom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiction Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 U zadnjih par godina su odlasci clanova metal bandova postali pomalo pateticni... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baki Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Idskreno, Tarja (jos uvek) nije valjano opovrgla nista od onoga sto je Tuomas rekao, mada verovatno hoce na toj famoznoj konferenciji za stampu.....Mada.....meni i ne smeta taj njen diva stav....,,brat bratu, red je i da neka diva izadje i iz redova metal bendova, a ne sve neke rok bitcharke sa zlim pogledima i tetovazama..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dushmanin Posted October 26, 2005 Report post Posted October 26, 2005 Sve sto sam rekao, je na everdreamersima.....koga zanim nek gleda...u skracenim crtama mislim da su jadni....no necu prestati posle toliko godina da prestanem da ih slusam jer su njihove pesme jos uvek iste, ako ne sada i tuznije jer su proslost... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuruz Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Sigurno su je oterali zato shto nisu imali vishe para da joj kupuju Turboshlank Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
:Dea Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 za deu> eh, to mi je najzalije od svega, veruje mi Znam! htedoh reci veruj mi...nema veze, izivecemo se na HF-u... Ali ja ne idem... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Шарки Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Ma nek' ide da igra tango, ko je jebe! Haha! Samo što će mi žena biti tužna jer ih obožava, but what the hell now, kraj je, i gotovo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 kuchka glupa? kurva? moj komentar na ovo nije mi jasno kako mozete da budete tako lakoverni... zasto ste toliko ubedjeni da je sve ovo istina??? ja takodje smatram da je tuomas nightwish, ali bez obzira na to ne verujem da svu krivicu treba svaliti samo na jednu stranu. ova cetvorica su u pismu pretvoreni u neke svece koji nikada nista nisu zgresili... od sad bi trebalo da nastupaju sa prikacenim oreolom za glavu... zgadili su mi se i tuomas i tarja i marco i emppu i jukka... prepucavaju se kao ovi nasi malogradjani sa pinka fuj!!! a vi koji govorite kurva , crkla dabogda i sl. ste mi jos odvratniji od gore navedenih... osecam da ste se do juce u tu istu tarju kleli i drkali na nju... pokrijte se usima i ne serite jer niko od nas blage veze nema sta se tu stvarno desava... mozda se bend raspada zato sto je tarja silovala tuomasovog caleta, otkud znate... glupi ste i verujete svemu sto vam se servira... ja ne drzim niciju stranu jer su mi od sad pa nadalje odvratni svo sestoro (mislim naravno na nw kompaniju)... izvinjavam se ako sam nekog uvredila, nije mi bila namera, samo sam malo temperametna i revoltirana... pozz Ja se slazem sa ovim i nikako mi nije jasno kako neko tako moze da se okrene za 360 stepeni posle ovakve vesti... Tuzno mi je sve to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwing Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Ma nema shta ni da se prochita.My husband ovo,my husband ono.. ma taj Batistuta je kriiv za sve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 ODLAZIM... [Tuomas] Jer kod nas se uvek gubi, barem jedan clan [Jukka] Kada bend se muci gasi, Tuomas uvek zna... [Marco] Jednom sam to bio ja, drugi put si bila ti [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Oba puta znali smo da cemo se rastati... [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Dodjavola sve, dodjavola s' Tarjom odlazis, jer grebesh se... [Marcelo] Ljubavi, jedina na svetu ne krivi me, ne krivi me... [Tuomas] Sami je otisao, al mu nisam rekao [Jukka] Znas i sam da si se zato kajao... [Emppu] Ti mi drugarica, duge se znamo [Marco] Ali toliko para, nemozemo da ti damo... [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Dodjavola sve, dodjavola s' Tarjom odlazis, jer grebesh se... [Marcelo] Ljubavi, jedina na svetu ne krivi me, ne krivi me... Original : Oliver Mandic performed by : Oliver Mandic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) Nadam se da ce se nekome dopasti Edited October 27, 2005 by Telcontar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinSlayer Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 ODLAZIM... [Tuomas] Jer kod nas se uvek gubi, barem jedan clan [Jukka] Kada bend se muci gasi, Tuomas uvek zna... [Marco] Jednom sam to bio ja, drugi put si bila ti [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Oba puta znali smo da cemo se rastati... [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Dodjavola sve, dodjavola s' Tarjom odlazis, jer grebesh se... [Marcelo] Ljubavi, jedina na svetu ne krivi me, ne krivi me... [Tuomas] Sami je otisao, al mu nisam rekao [Jukka] Znas i sam da si se zato kajao... [Emppu] Ti mi drugarica, duge se znamo [Marco] Ali toliko para, nemozemo da ti damo... [Tuomas, Emppu, Jukka, Marco] Dodjavola sve, dodjavola s' Tarjom odlazis, jer grebesh se... [Marcelo] Ljubavi, jedina na svetu ne krivi me, ne krivi me... Original : Oliver Mandic performed by : Oliver Mandic Pa, ovo je sjajno!!! Jedino mi Samia nekako zao.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platina Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Skoro se nisam ovako nasmejala!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baki Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Ma sad mi je sinulo! Nisu oni otwerali Tarju, nego je njoj dokurcilo to sto se NW iskomercijalisao, te resila da pobegne u underground atmosferu klasicne muze!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen_Mab Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 kuchka glupa? kurva? moj komentar na ovo nije mi jasno kako mozete da budete tako lakoverni... zasto ste toliko ubedjeni da je sve ovo istina??? ja takodje smatram da je tuomas nightwish, ali bez obzira na to ne verujem da svu krivicu treba svaliti samo na jednu stranu. ova cetvorica su u pismu pretvoreni u neke svece koji nikada nista nisu zgresili... od sad bi trebalo da nastupaju sa prikacenim oreolom za glavu... zgadili su mi se i tuomas i tarja i marco i emppu i jukka... prepucavaju se kao ovi nasi malogradjani sa pinka fuj!!! a vi koji govorite kurva , crkla dabogda i sl. ste mi jos odvratniji od gore navedenih... osecam da ste se do juce u tu istu tarju kleli i drkali na nju... pokrijte se usima i ne serite jer niko od nas blage veze nema sta se tu stvarno desava... mozda se bend raspada zato sto je tarja silovala tuomasovog caleta, otkud znate... glupi ste i verujete svemu sto vam se servira... ja ne drzim niciju stranu jer su mi od sad pa nadalje odvratni svo sestoro (mislim naravno na nw kompaniju)... izvinjavam se ako sam nekog uvredila, nije mi bila namera, samo sam malo temperametna i revoltirana... pozz Nisi ni svesna koliko si u pravu,ovde polovina foruma ispalo dripci Tarja jeste bivala prokomercijalizovana,ali brate sutka iz banda navrat-nanos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baki Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Pa jbg...psihologija ,mase...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaliis Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Njah,meni su oduvek bili shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader84 Posted October 27, 2005 Report post Posted October 27, 2005 Ma sad mi je sinulo! Nisu oni otwerali Tarju, nego je njoj dokurcilo to sto se NW iskomercijalisao, te resila da pobegne u underground atmosferu klasicne muze!!!! Tr00! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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