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Imali fanova stare americke doom epic true metal grupe CIRITH UNGOL? Imali su 4 albuma,imam ih sve i svi su fenomenalni.Bili su 80tih vrlo originalni ali vise ne postoje.Gitarista Gerry Foggle je umro,mislim odavno ali neznam tacno kad?Jer neko zna? Prvi put sam ih cuo 1986 i nisam ih odmah voleo ali godinu dana posle mi je bio jedan od top bendova.Metal Blade im je bio label.

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Imali fanova stare americke doom epic true metal grupe CIRITH UNGOL? Imali su 4 albuma,imam ih sve i svi su fenomenalni.Bili su 80tih vrlo originalni ali vise ne postoje.Gitarista Gerry Foggle je umro,mislim odavno ali neznam tacno kad?Jer neko zna? Prvi put sam ih cuo 1986 i nisam ih odmah voleo ali godinu dana posle mi je bio jedan od top bendova.Metal Blade im je bio label.

Cek, cek jel' ono postoji forum za doom, a da ima, e pa premestite ovu temu tamo, s' obzirom da je veliko ciscenje foruma vec pocelo.

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Imali fanova stare americke doom epic true metal grupe CIRITH UNGOL? Imali su 4 albuma,imam ih sve i svi su fenomenalni.Bili su 80tih vrlo originalni ali vise ne postoje.Gitarista Gerry Foggle je umro,mislim odavno ali neznam tacno kad?Jer neko zna? Prvi put sam ih cuo 1986 i nisam ih odmah voleo ali godinu dana posle mi je bio jedan od top bendova.Metal Blade im je bio label.

Hmm po meni ovo je čist

heavy, bend je dobar ko voli stari heavy.

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Басиста са првог албума, Грег Лиднстром, сада свира са перијем грејсоном у рок бенду на фазон 70-их Falcon. На првом албуму су ураидли и неколико грегових старих ствари које су првобтино биле намењене за Cirith Ungol. Ошацујте их на www.falconband.net.

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Slušao sam par pesama, nisu mi se baš dopali. Ima tu dooma, ali su mi malo suviše fantasy heavy metal za mene.

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Germany's Solemnity Music will be issuing the first "official" tribute to CIRITH UNGOL, entitled "One Foot in Fire". The album is tentatively scheduled to be released in January/February2006 on regular CD and a special limited 12-inch picture vinyl edition with inlay.

 

"One Foot in Fire" tentative track listing (in no particular order):

 

FALCON (w/ Greg Lindstrom of CIRITH UNGOL!) (U.S.) - "Shelob's Lair" (remix)

ROSAE CRUCIS (Italy) - "Death of the Sun"

SOLEMNITY (Germany) - "What Does It Take"

DAWN OF WINTER (w/ SACRED STEEL members) (Germany) - "Doomed Planet"

BATTLE RAM (Italy) - "Join the Legion"

HOLY MARTYR (Greece) - "Frost and Fire"

EMERALD (Switzerland) - "Heaven Help Us"

MONSTRUM (Poland) - "Fallen Idols"

ASSEDIUM (Italy) - "Black Machine"

CRYSTAL VIPER (Poland) & ELIXIR (U.K.) - "Chaos Rising" (two bands/one song!)

ROTTEN (Netherlands) - "Cirith Ungol Medley"

 

 

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FALCON (w/ Greg Lindstrom of CIRITH UNGOL!) (U.S.) - "Shelob's Lair" (remix)

Не знам која је фора што су ставили ову песму, кад им се иста налази и на албуму, а Грег је пуноправни члан бенда, али ајде сад да ја не цепидлачим.

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Басиста са првог албума, Грег Лиднстром, сада свира са перијем грејсоном у рок бенду на фазон 70-их Falcon. На првом албуму су ураидли и неколико грегових старих ствари које су првобтино биле намењене за Cirith Ungol. Ошацујте их на www.falconband.net.

Greg Lindstrom je bio klavijaturista i ritam gitarista, na demo snimcima i na ''Frost and Fire'', on je svirao klavijature i ritam gitaru, tako da je ''Cirith Ungol'' na početku bio kvintet. Flint je od početka bio bassista. mhihi.gif

 

Drugo, bend je žanrovski malo teže definisati. Prvo, prvi album je prilično influentiran rockom sedamdesetih, legendarni ''King Of the Dead'' je više u doom fazonu, dok na ''One Foot In Hell'' ima i speed, i power, i thrash, a i heavy uticaja. sa ''Paradise Lost'' čuo sam samo one demo snimke sa kompilacije ''Servants Of Chaos'', tako da ono, to mi deluje kao neki doom, ali sve u svemu, mnogo gotivim ovaj bend, iako je svojevrmeno album ''Frost and Fire'' bio proglašen za najgori heavy metal album ikad...glupost. no.gif

 

Takođe, postoji spot za ''Join The Legion'' sa ''Paradise Lost'', ne znam da li ga je iko gledao. icon_confused.gif

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Ја јок, али сам слушао мобраду коју су урадили Италијани Battle Ram и много ми се свидела, иако претходно нисам слушао албум. Ускоро стиже винилна верзија, па ћу га детаљно ислушати. Не знам само што се та обрада није нашла на оној компилацији, али не може се баш све. А и то би требало ускоро да стигне.

Не сери да је ''Frost Аnd Fire'' био проглашен најгорим метал албумом? Кад и где? Мислим, чак и у 80-им је било толико јебено горих албума, да је то просто смешно и помислити, а камо ли устврдити и објавити.

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Imali fanova stare americke doom epic true metal grupe CIRITH UNGOL? Imali su 4 albuma,imam ih sve i svi su fenomenalni.Bili su 80tih vrlo originalni ali vise ne postoje.Gitarista Gerry Foggle je umro,mislim odavno ali neznam tacno kad?Jer neko zna? Prvi put sam ih cuo 1986 i nisam ih odmah voleo ali godinu dana posle mi je bio jedan od top bendova.Metal Blade im je bio label.

Prvo, ne verujem da poseduješ ''Paradise Lost'' jer je album pušten samo na američko tržište, i posle kratkog vremena, zbog sudskog spora sa izdavačkom kućom, album je povučen,i sad je pod ''ključem'', tako da evo ima već deset godina kako se Graven cima oko toga da povrati vlasništvo nad albumom,i da ga reizda.

 

Naravno,postojala je i piratska verzija albuma na ploči, kao i original, ali ona se baš,baš retko gde mogla naći, i to po veoma visokoj ceni, tako da pretpostavljam da ti imaš prva tri albuma i duplu kompilaciju ''Servants OF Chaos''.

Što se Jerry Fogglea tiče, on je umro 1996. godine, a godinu dana pre izdat je live single ''I'm Alive''...stim što se obe live pesme sa tog singla mogu naći na gorepomenutoj kompilaciji. icon_biggrin.gif

 

 

Što se tiče ''Frost and Fire'' albuma, ima već 5-6 godina, kad sam na netu našao članke iz nekih časopisa kako je to užasan album, te ga vadi samo cover art. Doduše Whealan je živa legenda, ali sam album je bio sasvim okej. Ne vidim ništa loše u njemu, mada ipak, moguće da nije shvaćen album u ono vreme...te je ispljuvan. Pa slična stvar je bila sa ''Manowar'', ali dobro ovo je tema o 'Cirthu', te držimo se toga. icon_rockdevil.gif

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A zasto si ti toliki skeptik? Taj album moze da se nadje na disku, relativno cesto se pojavljuje i na ebay-u. Postoji bootleg disk, a pre izvesnog vremena je uradjen i bootleg LP koji se moze naci za normalne pare. To sto je izdat samo u Americi u danasnje vreme globalizacije nista ne znaci. Uostalom, zaboravljas da je glavna baza Cirith Ungol fanova u Grckoj.

Oni se sa Engimom cimaju za prava otkad ikad, ali nista od toga nece biti. Enigma iz nekog razloga ne zeli da proda taj ugovor, ili bar da licencira album, a ne stampaju ga. Genijalci iz benda su slusali svog menadzera koji im je preporucio da potpisu taj ugovor, kojim su se zanavek odrekli prava na pesme.

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Prvo, ne verujem da poseduješ ''Paradise Lost'' jer je album pušten samo na američko tržište, i posle kratkog vremena, zbog sudskog spora sa izdavačkom kućom, album je povučen,i sad je pod ''ključem'', tako da evo ima već deset godina kako se Graven cima oko toga da povrati vlasništvo nad albumom,i da ga reizda.

 

Naravno,postojala je i piratska verzija albuma na ploči, kao i original, ali ona se baš,baš retko gde mogla naći, i to po veoma visokoj ceni, tako da pretpostavljam da ti imaš prva tri albuma i duplu kompilaciju ''Servants OF Chaos''.

Što se Jerry Fogglea tiče, on je umro 1996. godine, a godinu dana pre izdat je live single ''I'm Alive''...stim što se obe live pesme sa tog singla mogu naći na gorepomenutoj kompilaciji. icon_biggrin.gif

 

 

Što se tiče ''Frost and Fire'' albuma, ima već 5-6 godina, kad sam na netu našao članke iz nekih časopisa kako je to užasan album, te ga vadi samo cover art. Doduše Whealan je živa legenda, ali sam album je bio sasvim okej. Ne vidim ništa loše u njemu, mada ipak, moguće da nije shvaćen album u ono vreme...te je ispljuvan. Pa slična stvar je bila sa ''Manowar'', ali dobro ovo je tema o 'Cirthu', te držimo se toga. icon_rockdevil.gif

Imam ga na CD bootleg, zasto bih lagao?

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Ja sam nabavio neku verziju pre neki dan...više i nisam tol'ki skeptik Blah! musik20.gif Sad jurim ''King Of The Stage'' Bootleg iz '84...Dobar je Paradise Lost....Zanima me originalana verzija Paradise Lost-a na LP-ju. Znam da je razlika originala i bootlega u boji omota, prvo, original je svetliji, kraći je za osam sekundi, i na back omotu ima neki natpis.

Mislim da lik koji vodi BNR metal web zine zna gde se može naći originalna verzija ovog albuma... icon_rockdevil.gif

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Ja moram da nabavim onaj tribute album u skorije vreme, ako ponovo budem radio sa Svabama neku razmenu.

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Kad pomenu tribute, to me podseti na Falcon, pošto i njih ima tamo...Baš sam slušao neke njihove snimke, i baš mi zvuče ko Cirith iz one demo faze, pre prvog albuma...Moram to negde da nabavim...takođe, a i tribute tracklist bendova mi deluje zanimljivo.

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U sustini, to i jeste pesma iz Cirith Ungol demo faze. na njihovom albumu pola pesama su ostaci Cirith Ungol pesama koje je pravio basista Greg Lindstrom.

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Da, znam, Sheloba's lair recimo,ali ne znam, kakav su to mix pravili na tribute-u...nadam se da nije neki skrnav, pošto mi ovako zvuči skroz okej. Gregu je bolje stajala duga kosa.

Samo, ne mora da se trudi da peva ko Tim, ustvari više zvuči kao 15-godišnji Tim Baker...heh...mogao je da angažuje čoveka, verujem da se ovaj ionako smara kao producent.

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Lično mislim da bi bilo kul intervjuisati Grega ili Garvena za metal-sound, iako još razmišljam koja bi bila poenta intervjua, pošto nisu ništa novo izbacili...blah... icon_rolleyes.gif

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To je bolje uraditi za nneki old school zine, ali ja nikad nisam imao dovoljno inspiracije, niti znanja o tome bendu da bih uradio nesto slicno. Hteo sam da uradim intervju sa Markom Seltonom iz Manilla Road, ali se nije javio.

Jesi li slusao "Falcon"? Odlican album, pesme zvuce ubitacno... i nove i stare.

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Nažalost ne. Skinuo sam samo neke semplove sa sajta, koji su mi se veoma svideli, ali nisam uspeo da nahvatam album. Meni lično, to što radi Falcon i što su nekad Ungol i recimo Blacksmith, ima mnogo, mnogo više epskog vajba, nego pola današnjih nabeđenih epic poweraša...

 

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To je zato sto epic i power uglavnom ne idu zajedno. Jedini spoj ta dva podzanra su lepo uradili Omen.

Falcon se samo malo previse baziraju na onom hard rock/stoner rock zvuku 70-ih. Nije da oni ne znaju da sviraju heavy metal, nego ne zele. I nadji pod hitno ostatak albuma. Pesme koje je Peri Grejson pravio su takodje odlicne.

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Cirith Ungol live at the Ventura Theater. This is likely the only video of its kind out there....

 

This was our last concert ever. The quality of the video is not good. It was certainly not one of our best shows as the band was suffering from disillusionment over our record company and personal problems. Jimmy and Vern left the band shortly afterwards with just me and Tim left deciding after a 22 year run to call it quits. A sad commentary on a great band I was lucky to be a part of.....

 

Rob Garven

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Haha koje zlo, bivši bubnjar benda napisao na arhivama recenziju za Paradise lost:

 

I was one the founding members and drummer of Cirith Ungol. This was our last album. We were treated so poorly by the record company that it broke the band up after 22 years. We had little or no artistic control over the production of this album, and even though we paid a big time lawyer $$$ to review the contract, we unknowingly sold the rights to album forever. When all our other CDs were re-released by Metal Blade of Germany, Restless the company that owned the rights to Paradise Lost, refused to let this cd be re-released. We were not even contacted by the current company releasing it, and will not receive any royalties from its sale. I even tried to contact them and received no reply.

 

The reason the production sounds like crap is I played drums first and ALONE to a click track and no members of the band were allowed in by the producer to hear the other members record their tracks. This was in complete contrast to all our other albums where we did a powerful bass, guitar and drum track then added the vocals, solos etc later. The original demos were erased so the ones on Chaos rising even though recorded more inteliggently were on a Teac 4 track. To bad the ones with Flint & Jimmy did not survive. I cant make any excuses for this album but Jimmy was a hell of a guitarist and if we would have even the basic control over the production and if of course Flint & Jerry would have stayed things would have been much different. The original plan was Jerry and Jimmy to play double leads but Jerry left as he felt like he was being pushed aside, which was far from the truth. We desperately tried to get him to come back to no avail. He was also struggling with some personal problems at the time which did not help.

 

To add insult to injury our singer Tim Baker went to a local store and had to buy a copy of the CD. I urge you not to buy this CD and instead look for our other remastered CD's "Frost & FIre" & "King of the Dead" & "Servants of Chaos" these are still in print in Europe (only!) and they were the only projects that we had artistic control over. This is now owned by Time Warner which is ironic....

 

I was so upset by this project and its production and aftermath I swore "That I would never touch another drumstick or play drums, if it meant being in the same business as these people". Even though we have been offered many reunion tours and dates I have kept my oath, and expect that I will keep it until death...

 

Playing drums and Cirith Ungol was my life and passion and it is sad that such a great band with such untapped talent and potential had such little support while other bands with so little talent became huge commercial successes.

 

For those that want to compare us to other bands they dont know half the truth. We were together about 9 years before our first album came out so those that want to compare us with other bands that were formed after we had been playing for years are misguided. We also had to finance our first two albums which took years to save up record and pay for. One of the reasons "Paradise Lost" was such a disaster is that we waited approximately 3 years to record it waiting for the record company to get their act together. That is one of the main reasons why Flint & Jerry left. Then we had to endure the record company being sold etc which delayed the album even longer, making a bad situation even worse. I cried when I heard the final version.....

 

Sincerely,

 

Robert Garven

Ventura, CA

 

Nego čudno mi da me nema na ovoj temi, baš obožavam ovaj bend i to najviše One foot in Hell album.

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