Ol' Scratch Posted February 8, 2005 Report post Posted February 8, 2005 Navedi te zestoke slichnosti. Nije adekvatna tema... Nemam ni zhenju da se ubedjujem sa bilo kim... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bafomet Posted February 8, 2005 Report post Posted February 8, 2005 shta radish ovde onda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol' Scratch Posted February 8, 2005 Report post Posted February 8, 2005 shta radish ovde onda? Trudim se da diskutujem o islamu a ne o pravoslavlju... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bafomet Posted February 8, 2005 Report post Posted February 8, 2005 ajd ozbiljno... ne moze jedno bez drugog iz vishe razloga chu li za indjile (indjijele)? arapski za jevandjelja islam priznaje isusa za pretposlednjeg velikog proroka ali ne za boga priznaju i mojsija i adama (kao proroke)... pa ti vidi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Shto se tiche islam - hrishcanstvo imam chitave knjige sa tim tripovima.chak i knjigu koja je prevela i izdala islamska zajednica u bosni chijom se vecinom textova musliman i sluzio ovde.. Slichnosti koliko hocesh... Svi skoro proroci adam, apostoli imaju svoja islamska imena.... Priche su takodje obradjene u kuranu samo shto je on vishe militantniji i vishe kao neka knjiga zakona nego Biblija...Kuran je realniji kao knjiga stoga mu i ne dajem posebnu vrednost jer se odmah vidi da muhamed nije imao harizmu ili ono shto ja mislim da bi uradio neshto sam...prepisivach chovek. Milos_024 zashto to mislish? Ja se ne plashim da chitam bilo shta..chak sam chitao i okultistichke i spiritualistichke knjige pa me opet nisu poremetile... Mada sam batalio i pocheo da chitam SAMO prave stvari..jer su korisnije mnogo korisnije... Niko bolje nije opisao situaciju nego Biblija...bila ona prevedena iz prvog ili 12-tog izvora... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bafomet Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Priche su takodje obradjene u kuranu samo shto je on vishe militantniji i vishe kao neka knjiga zakona nego Biblija...Kuran je realniji kao knjiga stoga mu i ne dajem posebnu vrednost jer se odmah vidi da muhamed nije imao harizmu ili ono shto ja mislim da bi uradio neshto sam...prepisivach chovek. kuran je definitivno dobrim delom zakonik ali to je odgovaralo stupnju civilizacijskog razvoja arapa u tom trenutku pogle stari zavet... jevreji su pisali svoje knjige zakona mnogo ranije takodje, islam ima odredjenu crtu... ne pesimizma... nego rezignacije i pomirenosti sa sudbinom jer se u odnosu na hrishcanstvo manje istiche delatnost vernika u odnosu na boziju svemoc u svakom sluchaju isus je daleko mocniji lik od muhameda mislim, naravno Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millosh_024 Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) Kuran je realniji kao knjiga stoga mu i ne dajem posebnu vrednost Ovo ima smisla? Ako ti je Biblija bolja zato što je nerealnija...pa,onda slobodno možeš da je zameniš sa "lord of the rings"....mnogo bolja fantazija. Nemoj da misliš da pljujem po Bibliji. Daleko bilo. Odlična je ali je izvučena van konteksta. Kada bi bilo onako kako u njoj piše ovaj svet ne bi ličio na ovo na šta sada liči a hrišćanstvo bi bilo daleko od globalnog virusa čije karakteristike ispoljava vekovima već bi vladao mir u svetu. Boriti se za mir ratom je isto kao jebati se da bi sačuvao nevinost. Edited February 9, 2005 by Millosh_024 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bafomet Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Boriti se za mir ratom je isto kao jebati se da bi sačuvao nevinost. a chime da se borish za mir propovedanjem jedne religije svima npr? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millosh_024 Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) Pacifizam. Pacifism, opposition to war and other violence, expressed either in an organized political movement or as an individual ideology. Pacifism varies from a form that is absolute and doctrinal to a relative and more practical form. Absolute pacifists are against all wars and against violence in any form whatsoever; relative pacifists are selective of the wars and violence they oppose. Most absolute pacifists stress the immorality of the taking of one person's life by another person. The philosophy of pacifism has been propounded throughout history on grounds of morality, divine will, or economic and social utility; the term itself, however, did not become popular until early in the 20th century. Edited February 9, 2005 by Millosh_024 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol' Scratch Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Pacifizam. Pacifism, opposition to war and other violence, expressed either in an organized political movement or as an individual ideology. Pacifism varies from a form that is absolute and doctrinal to a relative and more practical form. Absolute pacifists are against all wars and against violence in any form whatsoever; relative pacifists are selective of the wars and violence they oppose. Most absolute pacifists stress the immorality of the taking of one person's life by another person. The philosophy of pacifism has been propounded throughout history on grounds of morality, divine will, or economic and social utility; the term itself, however, did not become popular until early in the 20th century. I ako pacifiste neko krene da tamani jer su pacifisti oni cje na to oddgovoriti chime (?) ... Pojachanim pacifizzmom (???) ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Public Animal no. 1 Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 kuran je definitivno dobrim delom zakonik ali to je odgovaralo stupnju civilizacijskog razvoja arapa u tom trenutku pogle stari zavet... jevreji su pisali svoje knjige zakona mnogo ranije takodje, islam ima odredjenu crtu... ne pesimizma... nego rezignacije i pomirenosti sa sudbinom jer se u odnosu na hrishcanstvo manje istiche delatnost vernika u odnosu na boziju svemoc u svakom sluchaju isus je daleko mocniji lik od muhameda mislim, naravno Ti si pravnik, ili jos uvek studiras, jesam li u pravu??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol' Scratch Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Shto se tiche islam - hrishcanstvo imam chitave knjige sa tim tripovima.chak i knjigu koja je prevela i izdala islamska zajednica u bosni chijom se vecinom textova musliman i sluzio ovde.. Slichnosti koliko hocesh... Svi skoro proroci adam, apostoli imaju svoja islamska imena.... Priche su takodje obradjene u kuranu samo shto je on vishe militantniji i vishe kao neka knjiga zakona nego Biblija...Kuran je realniji kao knjiga stoga mu i ne dajem posebnu vrednost jer se odmah vidi da muhamed nije imao harizmu ili ono shto ja mislim da bi uradio neshto sam...prepisivach chovek. Isto tako i jevreji mogu da grakcju na hrishcjane (koji nisu nacija za razliku od jevreja i muslimana - chisto da ih pomenem da ne bude oftopic) al' izgleda da imaju pametnija posla... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ω Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) Zlo je islam.....ima vernike koji se bore za alaha...k'o manowarci za metal... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smiri ide ti i poruka na pp, ako nastavis warn Edited February 9, 2005 by black_totem213 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millosh_024 Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Pojachanim pacifizzmom Uuuu....najebali bi im se keve! Ovo me je podsetilo na onu foru iz Futurame kada su killer-robots krenuli da tamane ljude i Gen. Zapp Branigan uspe da ih pobedi. Kada su ga pitali kako je uspeo rekao je "shvatio sam da svaki robot radi na sistemu koji se isključi kada robot dostigne određen broj maximalnih ubistava. Shvativši to,slao sam talas po talas svojih jedinica dok se svi nisu isključili". U drugoj epizodi "evo ga Admiral Branigan koji se upravo vratio ostvarivši pobedu nad Pacifistima iz Ghandi sistema" Ok,da ne bude sve off topic....evo nekih osnovnih stvari o Islamu; Islam, one of the three major world religions, along with Judaism and Christianity, that profess monotheism, or the belief in a single God. In the Arabic language, the word Islam means “surrender” or “submission”—submission to the will of God. A follower of Islam is called a Muslim, which in Arabic means “one who surrenders to God.” The Arabic name for God, Allah, refers to the same God worshiped by Jews and Christians. Islam’s central teaching is that there is only one all-powerful, all-knowing God, and this God created the universe. This rigorous monotheism, as well as the Islamic teaching that all Muslims are equal before God, provides the basis for a collective sense of loyalty to God that transcends class, race, nationality, and even differences in religious practice. Thus, all Muslims belong to one community, the umma, irrespective of their ethnic or national background. Within two centuries after its rise in the 7th century, Islam spread from its original home in Arabia into Syria, Egypt, North Africa, and Spain to the west, and into Persia, India, and, by the end of the 10th century, beyond to the east. In the following centuries, Islam also spread into Anatolia and the Balkans to the north, and sub-Saharan Africa to the south. The Muslim community comprises about 1 billion followers on all five continents, and Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. The most populous Muslim country is Indonesia, followed by Pakistan and Bangladesh. Beyond the Middle East, large numbers of Muslims live in India, Nigeria, the former republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), and China. One of the reasons for the growth of the Muslim community has been its openness to new members. Children born to Muslim parents are automatically considered Muslim. At any time, a non-Muslim can convert to Islam by declaring himself or herself to be a Muslim. A person’s declaration of faith is sufficient evidence of conversion to Islam and need not be confirmed by others or by religious authorities. II THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD Around the year ad 570 Muhammad, the founding prophet of Islam, was born in Mecca, at the time the central city of the Arabian Peninsula. Some 40 years later Muhammad started preaching a new religion, Islam, which constituted a marked break from existing moral and social codes in Arabia. The new religion of Islam taught that there was one God, and that Muhammad was the last in a series of prophets and messengers. Through his messengers God had sent various codes, or systems of laws for living, culminating in the Qur’an (Koran), the holy book of Islam. These messengers were mortal men, and they included among many others Moses, the Hebrew prophet and lawgiver, and Jesus, whom Christians believe to be the son of God rather than a prophet. The Teachings of Muhammad During the early 7th century, a trader named Muhammad was meditating in a cave near Mecca in what is now Saudi Arabia, when he experienced a vision of the archangel Gabriel who declared Muhammad to be a prophet of God. Other revelations followed, and Muhammad began to preach to others, reciting in verse the instructions he had received from God. These revelations became the Koran, the sacred scripture of Islam. In this passage from Muhammad’s teachings, he teaches his followers, called Muslims, to lead a righteous life through their faith and works. Islam also taught that the Christian Bible (which includes the Hebrew Bible as the Old Testament and an additional 27 books referred to as the New Testament), and the Qur'an were all holy books. According to the Qur’an, the two earlier Scriptures had been altered over time from their original forms given by God, while the Qur'an would remain perfect, preserved by God from such distortion. In addition to distinguishing itself from the Hebrew and Christian traditions, the new religion taught that the God of Islam had provided humanity with the means to know good from evil, through the prophets and the Qur’an. Therefore, on the Day of Judgment people will be held accountable for their actions. Muhammad’s teachings met with severe and hostile opposition, and in the year 622 he left Mecca and sought refuge in the city of Yathrib, as a number of his followers had already done. Upon Muhammad's arrival, the name Yathrib was changed to Medina (meaning “the city”). The date of Muhammad's immigration was later set as the beginning of the 12-month lunar Islamic calendar. During the ten years between his arrival in Medina and his death in ad 632, Muhammad laid the foundation for the ideal Islamic state. A core of committed Muslims was established, and a community life was ordered according to the requirements of the new religion. In addition to general moral injunctions, the requirements of the religion came to include a number of institutions that continue to characterize Islamic religious practice today. Foremost among these were the five pillars of Islam, the essential religious duties required of every adult Muslim who is mentally able. The five pillars are each described in some part of the Qur’an and were already practiced during Muhammad's lifetime. They are the profession of faith (shahada), prayer (salat), almsgiving (zakat), fasting (sawm), and pilgrimage (hajj). Although some of these practices had precedents in Jewish, Christian, and other Middle Eastern religious traditions, taken together they distinguish Islamic religious practices from those of other religions. The five pillars are thus the most central rituals of Islam and constitute the core practices of the Islamic faith. Many polemical descriptions of Islam have focused critically on the Islamic concept of jihad. Jihad, considered the sixth pillar of Islam by some Muslims, has been understood to mean holy war in these descriptions. However, the word in Arabic means "to struggle" or "to exhaust one's effort," in order to please God. Within the faith of Islam, this effort can be individual or collective, and it can apply to leading a virtuous life; helping other Muslims through charity, education, or other means; preaching Islam; and fighting to defend Muslims. Western media of the 20th century continue to focus on the militant interpretations of the concept of jihad, whereas most Muslims do not. The absolute focus of Islamic piety is Allah, the supreme, all knowing, all-powerful, and above all, all-merciful God. The Arabic word Allah means “the God,” and this God is understood to be the God who brought the world into being and sustains it to its end. By obeying God's commands, human beings express their recognition of and gratitude for the wisdom of creation, and live in harmony with the universe. The profession of faith, or witness to faith (shahada), is therefore the prerequisite for membership in the Muslim community. On several occasions during a typical day, and in the saying of daily prayers, a Muslim repeats the profession, "I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet." There are no formal restrictions on the times and places these words can be repeated. To become a member of the Muslim community, a person has to profess and act upon this belief in the oneness of God and the prophethood of Muhammad. To be a true profession of faith that represents a relationship between the speaker and God, the verbal utterance must express genuine knowledge of its meaning as well as sincere belief. A person’s deeds can be subjected to scrutiny by other Muslims, but a person’s utterance of the profession of faith is sufficient evidence of membership in the Muslim community and cannot be challenged by other members of this community. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Ovo ima smisla? Ako ti je Biblija bolja zato što je nerealnija...pa,onda slobodno možeš da je zameniš sa "lord of the rings"....mnogo bolja fantazija. Nemoj da misliš da pljujem po Bibliji. Daleko bilo. Odlična je ali je izvučena van konteksta. Kada bi bilo onako kako u njoj piše ovaj svet ne bi ličio na ovo na šta sada liči a hrišćanstvo bi bilo daleko od globalnog virusa čije karakteristike ispoljava vekovima već bi vladao mir u svetu. Boriti se za mir ratom je isto kao jebati se da bi sačuvao nevinost. O brate mili ne mogu vishe...i'm tired Bafi To bi bilo to.. E Miloshe citirao si samo deo rechenice..ako prochitash celu videcesh da ja nisam napisao da je biblija nerelana knjiga..vec sam hteo da kazem da nema nishta Bozanskog u kuranu, jer se vidi da je muhamed klasichan plagijator.Isus je pola chovek pola Bog? Jasnije? I za razliku od muhameda izvodio je chuda (nemoj onu prichu sada... dokazi za to? ) Da ljudi poshtuju hrishcanstvo kako treba 100% bi bio mir na zemlji ali u apokalipsi se vidi da je situacija bash onako ''ne'' realna Po mateju : 4. I odgovarajuci Isus rece im: cuvajte se da vas ko ne prevari. 5. Jer ce mnogi doci u ime moje govoreci: ja sam Hristos. I mnoge ce prevariti. 6. cucete ratove i glasove o ratovima. Gledajte da se ne uplašite; jer treba da to sve bude. Ali nije još tada pocetak. 7. Jer ce ustati narod na narod i carstvo na carstvo; i bice gladi i pomori, i zemlja ce se tresti po svijetu. 8. A to je sve pocetak stradanja. 9. Tada ce vas predati na muke, i pobice vas, i svi ce narodi omrznuti na vas imena mojega radi. 10. I tada ce se mnogi sablazniti, i drug druga izdace. i omrznuce drug na druga. 11. I izici ce mnogi lažni proroci i prevarice mnoge. 12. I što ce se bezakonje umnožiti, ohladnjece ljubav mnogijeh. Za prouchavanje biblije potrebno je mnogo toga ali na osnovu ovoga i obichan chovek moze videti..ili ustvari shta je ovde nerelano da te pitam????? Evo ti odmah razlika izmedju muhameda i Isusa.Ovo gore su prorochke Bozije rechi. Nigde se u bibliji ne navodi rat kao uslov za mir...chak shta vishe naprotiv...Ljubav je kljuchna stvar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted February 9, 2005 Report post Posted February 9, 2005 Isto tako i jevreji mogu da grakcju na hrishcjane (koji nisu nacija za razliku od jevreja i muslimana - chisto da ih pomenem da ne bude oftopic) al' izgleda da imaju pametnija posla... Morash da razumesh ''poshto kazesh chitao si bibliju,razumesh je'' da jevreji i jesu bili izabrani starozavetni narod koji se kasnije odrekao Bog-a tj Isusa, nisu poverovali njegovim rechima pa ga josh i ubili.Sami su krivi.. Ogromna je razlika izmedju novog i starog zaveta u vremenu tadashnjim ''vremenskim uslovima'', uticajima itd itd... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millosh_024 Posted February 10, 2005 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Pošto ti i dalje izgleda veruješ u bajke....manimo se nas dvojca diskusije i lepo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol' Scratch Posted February 10, 2005 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 Morash da razumesh ''poshto kazesh chitao si bibliju,razumesh je'' da jevreji i jesu bili izabrani starozavetni narod koji se kasnije odrekao Bog-a tj Isusa, nisu poverovali njegovim rechima pa ga josh i ubili.Sami su krivi.. Ogromna je razlika izmedju novog i starog zaveta u vremenu tadashnjim ''vremenskim uslovima'', uticajima itd itd... Kako je meni teshko da progutram sve te priche... I shtra se nakraju zbilo sa bogom? Prosh'o mu PMS? Mislim bez uvrede al' ne vidim neku vezu izmedju ta dva boga... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millosh_024 Posted February 10, 2005 Report post Posted February 10, 2005 (edited) U starom zavetu sve nešto "kazna za ono,ne diraj ovo,ne govori ono, ne idi tamo, ne gledaj ovamo, spali onaj grad,potopi ovaj grad...." a u novom najednom kao brižni otac a opet pusti da mu ubiju sina. Pa ja da sam na njegovom mestu ne da bi im se svima najebo keve samo da ga pipnu...a ne... Zato bar islam kaže da je bog (iliti Alah...svejedno!) spasio Isusa i da nije dozvolio da mu rade sve to što je Mel Gibson pokazao da su mu radili.... Da,da...definitivno deluje kao PMS. To što kažeš za jevreje....pa,dobro....onda je Hitler sprovodio bogov bes i ništa više. Dobar,pobožan čovek taj Adolf... Edited February 10, 2005 by Millosh_024 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSerbien Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 па, Он је сам сишао да страда.... а ако хоћете да прочитате о муслиманима, незнам дал је неко пре мене ставио ову адресу овде, ал' свеједно њњњ.муслимсоут.цом или ти www.muslisout.com, или је .орг -пробајте оба... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 Pošto ti i dalje izgleda veruješ u bajke....manimo se nas dvojca diskusije i lepo Bolje da prichamo sad nego na kraju da bude plach i skrgut zuba.. onda kada bajka postane java bice goro prekrij me, jer ne verovah a sada se sve vidi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 Mislim bez uvrede al' ne vidim neku vezu izmedju ta dva boga... Ti ne vidish vezu izmedju ta dva vremena...ali necemo vishe o tome...tema su braca po krvi..muslimani Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSerbien Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 о, Боже.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 Hrishcanstvo je vaseljensko! Shta bi hteo da ti kazem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSerbien Posted July 19, 2005 Report post Posted July 19, 2005 па шта ако је? ја нисам њњњ.МУСЛИМСОУТ.орг Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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