michelle Posted November 15, 2004 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 You feel the need to spend a lot of time creating things (music, art, poetry, philosophies, stories and the like) Your creative efforts are often described as dark, shocking, scary, morbid or strange You like museums and cultural centers You understand and even enjoy Shakespeare, Shelley, Browning or some other similar work without having to read the Cliffe Notes You know the difference between nihilism and existentialism, even if you don't really live by either You really, truly enjoy music of many kinds You are a very sensual person (aware of color, texture, sound, taste and scent) You don't understand why the people around you spend so much time watching TV You don't feel comfortable looking just like everyone else you know You do feel comfortable just being yourself, even if no one else around is anything like you You wonder "why" a lot, and come up with some interesting answers You wonder "how" a lot, and often figure it out on your own You don't just reject something because you don't understand it You base your opinions of people on who they are and what they do rather than what they look like You are not afraid of the unknown You are not afraid of the dark You are afraid of mediocrity Ovo je nesto najtragicnije sto sam u zivotu procitala. Ako taj lik stvarno ima 40 i kusur godina treba da se zabrine. Ovo kao da je pisala devojcica od 16 godina- and not a very bright one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michelle Posted November 15, 2004 Report post Posted November 15, 2004 Moram : How do I become Goth? I hate to break it to you, but Goth is not something you can just learn. Gothic people grew up that way. Most people do not have the genuine sense of wonder, creativity, talent, open-mindedness, and appreciation of the duality of existence, nor of themselves and their abilities that makes a person genuinely Goth. While some of these things can be learned over the course of years, most of it can only be emulated. To emulate something strongly implies that the action is neither original nor genuine. That is just not Goth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reve_noir Posted March 1, 2005 Report post Posted March 1, 2005 (edited) Sve u svemu, kao sto mi je jednom to napomenula jedna osoba, postoje ljudi koji imaju tu neku "zicu" u sebi pa zato slusaju ovakvu muziku (gothic, ebm, sta god) i ona im je potrebna;sa druge strane postoje i oni koji misle da ce upornim slusanjem te muzike postati "takvi". Ovih drugih je znatno vise. Mislim da je to vise intuitivna stvar, da li ces nekoga prepoznati kao ovakvog ili onakvog - nikakvi "tvrdi" dokazi, poput odece ili liste omiljenih grupa, nece dati precizan odgovor na pitanje da li neko zaista voli i razume to sto slusa, ili to radi zarad nekog elitizma/snobizma. Edited March 1, 2005 by reve_noir Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helle Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Goth in its simplest form, is a subculture! A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company! There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene! People in the goth scene all have different musical tastes, follow different religions,have different occupations,hobbies, and fashion sense! *Jedna stvar-Goths HATE to be labelled! so plz never ever label me ever again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritchaser Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company! There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene! goths, comfortable??? hahaha Goti su najveci non-konformisti!! i Goti ne vole label??? Josh jedan interesantan momenat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helle Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Ma tako pisHe-sad kako cesH ti to da zakljucHisH-to je tvoje! Pa da-we hate being labelled as term Goth! Mislim-sHta ti tu nije jasno! Si ti Goth!? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMore Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 (edited) nikad nisam puno razmisljao o tome. zar je bitno?! ali kad sam vec tu, iznecu svoje kratko misljenje. gothi su ljudi koji su predrasude zamenili stavovima. svesni su da ce jednog dana umreti i zbog toga koriste preostalo vreme na najbolji moguci nacin. nerviraju me izjave kako su gothi mracni i suicidalni tipovi. pure bullshit!!! ok, ima nas raznih, ali sebe barem vidim kao pozitivnu osobu. Edited March 7, 2005 by DarkMore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
^Toza^ Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Ja se i dalje drzim svoje price - nema tu nikakve subkulture. @Hellenoranotos - je'l to sto ti pise u postu sarkasticno ili ozbiljno ? (jer mi se cini da ima nekih protivrecnosti) btw. punk - je po meni subkultura jer punks-i imaju neke zajednicke ideje i ciljeve i zalazu se (neki manje , a neki veoma fanaticno) za sirenje neke svoje ideologije , a muzika koju slusaju je uglavnom veoma "angazovana" (mada i ne veoma kvalitetna...). skinsi - imaju neku svoju subkulturu (ma koliko ona bolesna bila) i imaju neke svoje kodove i pravila pristupanja sekti i imaju cak i razvijenu organizacionu strukturu. za rokere je to vec diskutabilno - to je samo grupa ljudi kojima se svidja slicna muzika i (manje/vise) imaju neku nazovi "ekstremnu" crtu (koja se uglavnom manifestuje u "drugacijem" nacinu oblacenja/sminkanja)... ..i u tu grupu mogu da se ubrajaju i ljubitelji metala , glam zvuka , elektro/ebm zvuka , gothic zvuka itd... nema tu neke (dublje) zajednicke ideologije od mode i muzike i mozda neke "zice" u karakteru (sto rece rave_noir u svom postu). Nema tu nigde definisanih nekih zajednickih ideoloskih stavova. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothicWraith Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Tozo, mnogo me smara tvoj avatar. promeni ga. ma salim se ej smarate. zar je bitno. osecaj se kako hoces. sta me briga dal postoji subkultura ili ne. ako hocu da se oblacim tako i slusam muziku to je moja stvar (naravno ovim ne opravdavam pozere koji rade to samo da privuku paznju da navodno odudaraju, glupi klinci ) mrzim ovakve rasprave. i ajde molim vas ako mozete opet da pozcnete sa onim sta je TROO a sta je unTROO goth! i tako.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reve_noir Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 (sto rece rave_noir u svom postu). molim te, malo postovanja... Ja se kao ljubitelj ebm zvuka ni slucajno ne bih trpao u isti kos sa rokerima - to je za mene dosta drugaciji mentalitet (jako cesto odbojan). Mislim da postoji jos izvestan broj ljudi koji bi se slozio sa mnom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
^Toza^ Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 Tozo, mnogo me smara tvoj avatar. promeni ga. ma salim se ej smarate. zar je bitno. osecaj se kako hoces. sta me briga dal postoji subkultura ili ne. ako hocu da se oblacim tako i slusam muziku to je moja stvar (naravno ovim ne opravdavam pozere koji rade to samo da privuku paznju da navodno odudaraju, glupi klinci ) mrzim ovakve rasprave. i ajde molim vas ako mozete opet da pozcnete sa onim sta je TROO a sta je unTROO goth! ma necemo valda... mislim da smo to prevazisli... a ako te smara - nemoj da citas temu. btw. pa zar nisi znao da ja drzim taj avatar samo da bih tebe smarao ??? @reve_noir - sorry za lapsus (da znam sta to znaci , verovatno bih i zapamtio kako se pise... ) a ovo sto kazes za ebm-ovce... ja izlazim sa obe ekipe i cini mi se da vidim neke slicnosti... mahom je to ista ekipa koja se pojavljuje i na gothic-metalu kod Stivija... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reve_noir Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 (edited) a ovo sto kazes za ebm-ovce... ja izlazim sa obe ekipe i cini mi se da vidim neke slicnosti... mahom je to ista ekipa koja se pojavljuje i na gothic-metalu kod Stivija... Secas se mog pred-predhodnog posta, gore? E pa to su ti "drugi". btw. "reve noir" = "crni san" (FRA) Edited March 7, 2005 by reve_noir Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helle Posted March 7, 2005 Report post Posted March 7, 2005 @Hellenoranotos - je'l to sto ti pise u postu sarkasticno ili ozbiljno ? (jer mi se cini da ima nekih protivrecnosti) Idi na...www.goth.net pa im se proturijeci a ne meni! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritchaser Posted March 8, 2005 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Pa da-we hate being labelled as term Goth! Mislim-sHta ti tu nije jasno! Si ti Goth!? da Goti ne vole label (oznachavanje), kao shto kazesh, oni bi bili medju najneupadljivijim ljudima/pripadnicima neke subkulture. Nikako ih ne bismo mogli label-ovati, oznachiti/izdvojiti u neku sopstvenu subkulturu. Jer ne bi bilo osnovnih parametara za tako neshto. A buduci da znamo kakvi su Goti (odn. kakav show prave od sebe, tu pre svega mislim na njihovu spoljashnju estetiku, kao i na 90% onih koji se smatraju takvima) - naravno da cemo takvu konstataciju odbaciti kao neosnovanu. Gotima je neophodna publika. Inache im ne bi bilo zanimljivo. Dzaba njima PVC ako ce da ga nose po kuci, ne? A shta kaze goth-net je krajnje ochekivano... naravno da se nece sam ukopavati/svoju interesnu grupu... Jok. Makar, ne u smislu da kupujem pvc/oblachim se u crno/pishem poeziju/sam depresivan/slusham Black Tape/tripujem da sam vampir i tome slichno. A ako je goth jednostavno = individualac, weirdo, onda da. Jesam. Toliko... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helle Posted March 8, 2005 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 VidisH kod mene je basH taj prvi slucaj! Em sam depresivac,em slusam Gotski rok i cist Gotik em nosim od svega samo i to SAMO crnu odijecu al' pvc ne volim-samo obican materijal-mantile,crne pantalone bez/s zipsima, haljine i te fore,marte-ma znas kako sve to ide! em volim bijeli puder ljubicasti/crni lipstik i meni omiljena kolekcija pentagrama -mmmm obozavam silver stuff! em sam starving artist i i i mnogo toga-volim ovo cime se bavim/studiram-znaci likovne umijetnosti koje sacinjavaju radove poput groblja,ruze,sove,sis misi i stosta toga! Itd...ima toga jos! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reve_noir Posted March 8, 2005 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 ... too cliché to be true, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helle Posted March 8, 2005 Report post Posted March 8, 2005 Sto-ne vijerujes mi da sam full on Goth! Pa recimo samo pola mog fax-a di studiram je puno Goticara poput mene-zamisli samo! Ponekad se bas upitam dal' zapravo zivim u 21 vijeku il'!? Ima nas ima! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reve_noir Posted March 9, 2005 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 Sto-ne vijerujes mi da sam full on Goth! Pa recimo samo pola mog fax-a di studiram je puno Goticara poput mene-zamisli samo! Sto se tebe tice, niti verujem, niti ne verujem (da se ne uvredis - bas me briga ), to je samo moj generalno pesimistican stav u vezi toga (too good to be true). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunja Posted March 9, 2005 Report post Posted March 9, 2005 ova tema je nadjebala i chitavu snagu rechi josh josh josh josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss Penny Lane Posted March 10, 2005 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 ova tema je nadjebala i chitavu snagu rechi josh josh josh josh the unfuckable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Калавера Posted March 10, 2005 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 ova tema je nadjebala sebe samu. gotik je mrtav, živeo gotik ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss Penny Lane Posted March 10, 2005 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 hhehehehe gotik je mrtav ali je nightwish ziv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Калавера Posted March 10, 2005 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 you wish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss Penny Lane Posted March 10, 2005 Report post Posted March 10, 2005 youR wish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunja Posted March 11, 2005 Report post Posted March 11, 2005 night wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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